My hero

[PVVikeFan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Indian_Dad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Winning hearts and minds". We had ZERO chance of that ever happening from day one amigo. It is like me walking into your house and telling you "These are the new rules". Those folks have lived that way since the stone ages,and just as soon as we roll out,it will be the same. There will be a new Saddam step-up,and the lives we have lost will be for naught. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img]</div></div>

I think we did have a chance of doing that back in the very beginning but like everything else it was screwed up.

[BlueWahooChambordDevil]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVVikeFan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Indian_Dad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Winning hearts and minds". We had ZERO chance of that ever happening from day one amigo. It is like me walking into your house and telling you "These are the new rules". Those folks have lived that way since the stone ages,and just as soon as we roll out,it will be the same. There will be a new Saddam step-up,and the lives we have lost will be for naught. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img]</div></div>

I think we did have a chance of doing that back in the very beginning but like everything else it was screwed up. </div></div>
there was no chance of that ever happeneing

people by nature are creatures of habit

[jtw61194]

Again, you'll get absolutely no argument from me on that. And I've read accounts from folks who are there that say the same thing as you do. But, the guy is a complete jackass for pulling a stunt like that, because he knows what can happen.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 82abn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again, you'll get absolutely no argument from me on that. And I've read accounts from folks who are there that say the same thing as you do. But, the guy is a complete jackass for pulling a stunt like that, because he knows what can happen. </div></div>
I liked the shooting of the book- but you are probably right. Everyday we stay in the middle east the folks there are using this as a reason to "kill the infidels" and this story will get around. But most of these people would never see things our way, anyway. Plain as the nose anybody's face, except a desk jockey.

[SWVA-Football]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Indian_Dad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How dare they tarnish the Quran! That book has a purpose (like wiping your arse with the pages if you are out of toilet paper). </div></div>

I agree with your mindset there, and there are certainly some monsters following that book, but they would probably be saying the same thing if one of them were to shoot up a Bible and we were up in arms about it.

I don't think it was a good decision on the part of the soldier. It's a religious text, after all, regardless of whether any of us follow or believe in it.

[Ironlung]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> certainly some monsters following that book</div></div>

..and just as many or more following the Christian Bible.

[imported_elp6n]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ironlung</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> certainly some monsters following that book</div></div>

..and just as many or more following the Christian Bible.</div></div>

Amen! There are some crazy people out there operating under the guise of Bible-followers. Lots of "Christian" cults.

[Ironlung]

Have a chat with a Catholic Priest sometime, or that Baptist preacher that I saw on CNN yesterday that was arrested in a Dateline-esque sting going to meet and have sex with a 13 year old boy.

Religion is religion whether it's your's or not, you should have respect for others. This whole "wiping your ass with the Qur'an" shows the stupid and redneck sentiment that is propigated not only in this area but a majority of folks in this country toward Muslim folks. It's no different than the way American Born, German and Japanese were treated during WWII. A bunch of [censored] dumbass nuts in the middle east blowing themselves and other innocent folks up is about as good a stereotype to put on Muslims as saying so on so Mr. Christian on here is a pedophile because of those couple examples listed above.

I tried to stay away from this moronic thread, not because the ignorance displayed was something new, but just because it'll have no end and when the rest of the toothless hillbillies show up the pot will just overflow with ignorant clueless comments.

"tried to stay away from this moronic thread, not because the ignorance displayed was something new, but just because it'll have no end and when the rest of the toothless hillbillies show up the pot will just overflow with ignorant clueless comments. "
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Yes, but you must admit that trying to ref this religion driven civil war is getting old. If shooting a book was the worst thing that happened, it would probably end tomorrow.

[Ironlung]

Nobody said that the war wasn't stupid. There never has been one that wasn't. I don't know why anyone would call the fool a hero. ???? Is that going to make one of the idiots who are over there already raising hell do something they weren't going to do anyway? Nope. What it may do though is pull the guy who's just pissed off because something totally unrelated happened to him over the edge. You call it shooting a "book" Spudz, but I know you're a church going man and if "Akbar" who's going to UVAW decides to take a stack of Christian Bibles outside and shoot them up or "wipe his ass with the pages" how would you feel about that? There'll be a band of retarded rednecks trying to "make things right" or "show that sumbitch" or "kill that damn mooslim" before the weekend is out. All this disgrace of a soldier did was put the lives of those that he served with in even more danger and made the ones over their doing the right thing and conducting themselves with class even more hated and potentially an even bigger target possibly of someone who wasn't a concern the day before.